So, it is becoming a game of he said/ he saw. I love this game said nobody. So trans activist Steven Oates posted his ‘eye witness’ account of the protest on facebook.
An interview with one of the protesters here.
HIS FULL POST HERE.
Ok so I am gonna put my head on the line here a wee bit, but I feel I need to as this article actually makes me a bit angry.
I love my Maori/Pasifika trans sisters and brothers more than anyone and my track record in supporting them speaks for itself.
These protesters (may) have a very valid point and I totally agree that trans people are mistreated by the prison system. I know in the past and probably still today they are mistreated by the police. I totally support them in their fight for equality and justice.
However…….this article/press release contains lies. The statement he is referring to here.
Myself and a bunch of others were across the road watched the whole thing unfold right before us and we watched it from start to end.
So now, the arm has been fractured and the protester is in pain…..
It did not take 25 minutes for medical help to arrive as stated. Yesterday I read a press release form them stating they did not get medical help for 45 minutes (they have obviously changed their story a bit). St Johns was with them within minutes. I think >REDACTED< may have timed it and said it was 11 minutes. To me and others it seemed like about 5 minutes or even less. St Johns were stationed near by.
Lets say it took 10 minutes for help to ‘arrive’, he says himself they were really close. Why the hell did it take 10 to 15 minutes when they were right there next to the ‘event’. Why were they not there straight away? And when you are in pain this would seem so much longer. He is even told by someone else there it took at least 11 minutes, yet still STATES it seemed quicker, when he was told it was at least 11 minutes. And this is what was happening……
A police person on top of her, three security guards and silver coated Carnegie from GABA doing….whatever she was doing. You can hear her screams, wonder if they could hear them from across the road?
The young Maori trans woman was not ” … noticeably targeted by security” as they have stated. She was being the most aggressive and fighting back when they tried to move her off the road. In no way at all did it seem like any security was like “lets get her coz she is young Maori and trans”. This in my personal opinion is totally playing the racist / transphobia card. The protesters were aggressive and defiant.
“The protesters were aggressive and defiant.” – It is a protest. This is what they do. I kinda don’t find their behaviour that confrontational at all. And go defiance. I wish the video wasn’t edited so heavily.
From our view which was directly on to the whole incident not once did any of us think/say that unreasonable force was used from a security or police stand point. They had to be moved off the road and they were refusing to move. So they were physically escorted off. If I were in charge of security / police I would have instructed them to do exactly what they did.
So, if he had his way he would have instructed them to be so violent they injure the protesters? Jessica Christ, that seems lacking in empathy and quite cold. Can’t have the Parade disturbed, do anything to get the yucky protesters off. How tone deaf.
Heather Carnegie did not “assault” any of them at any time. She did try to help escort them off the road and she looked like she was a bit pissy that they were sticking an ipad/iphone/camera in her face and filming it so she did grab it and tossed it several meters away. It seemed to me like after they were off the road and settled down she was actually concerned with the wellbeing of the young trans woman and seemed to be checking is she was ok etc.
Why was she even involved. Apparently the security were well trained, (sic), so what the hell was she doing getting involved at all??? It had nothing to do with her as the head of GABA, she was a member of the public getting involved as far as any of the ‘highly trained professionals’ were concerned, and she should not have been involving herself with the protesters in the first place. And how on earth does he know what she was saying to her as she lay in pain? She says…..
: Heather Carnegie denies acting violently, stating “At no time did I personally struggle with any of the protesters, who were the ones being violent resisting security and police efforts to get them off the road, and I am surprised to hear of this idea.”
She certainly seems to be pushing a protester off the street in the above photo.
As I mentioned, I support them in what they are fighting for. I absolutely support peoples right to peaceful protest. I totally acknowledge that transphobia is a huge and serious issue, but I don’t support these protesters lying in order to get sympathy.
Well, no sympathy from him or many of the many others who have commented on social media. Lying? Sympathy? How about empathy? Any sympathy for the women who was injured? This story could have been presented with his view of events minus the commentary and accusations of lying. Watching from above and being so far away would not really give him any idea of what it was at all like to be in the middle of it.
Perhaps they can engage with the Pride Festival in a more constructive way next year. March in the parade and publicise their message??? Just a thought.
I am looking forward to the float next year showing medications slowly wearing off and people transitioning back, prison rape, prison violence and abuse. It is a PROTEST FFS, it does not fit into the ‘Parade for Pride’ narrative that is being pushed. The one event we ALL can agree on is a protester was injured. The Parade organisers have shown zero concern that their staff did this. In fact, the Parade media coordinator stated “thats what you get” and ‘what did she expect, hugs and kisses”. Well, she certainly didn’t expect a fractured arm.
What this has really shown up is a huge gap within the gay world between all the parties involved. One is really hurting, one is really upset their parade was ‘interrupted’. The lack of concern about the violence is staggering in its’ coldness. The person responsible for the injury needs to be charged STAT. The hatred of the protesters is everywhere and just lacking in any concern or humanity. The disgust that 3 people ‘dared’ to protest seems so middle class and antiquated and classic pearl clutching behaviour. How will be be perceived by the ‘straight world’? Well, I think for many thinking people we are being perceived as cold heated bitches. The Parade is already ‘family friendly’ to a ridiculous degree. The ‘sex’ has definitely been taken out of ‘homosexual’. The selling out to corporate interests is complete. To dump so much hatred and abuse on the many people who feel disenfranchised by the organization will only breed more, and deeper resentment. How to combat this, well, actually caring about the injured women and not support the person and events that injured her would seem to at least be a start………….
They would play you off if you tried to say anything like this now. And they’d play you off loudly.
What the fuck is that about? Does he have no gay friends to hiss ‘Hunty, you look like a douche nozzle?’
FINALLY WATCH – Edited Footage Of The Protest And Treatment Of Protesters At The Pride Parade On Saturday.
With the heavy editing of the footage is annoying not being able to see the events happen without sudden cuts in the footage. As they are protesting the anger from the protesters is entirely understandable. I see no evidence of them ‘asking for it’ or them ‘punching the police’.
Why Did GABA President Heather Carnegie Woman-Handle Protesters And Destroy Evidence At (No) Pride Parade?
Her behaviour on Saturday is revolting. Who made her ‘protector of the corporate parade’? What gave her the right to get involved with the protestors? Why is she such an awful human to the injured women? Why is she destroying evidence? GayNZ are asking for her reasoning and justification for her inhuman actions. I hope they are not as grotesque or ‘callous’ as the Parade directors statement.
Before anyone thinks the individual in the silver blazer- the president of the Gay Auckland Business Association. Heather Carnegie, is providing any form of support- she wasn’t. In between interrogating the injured protestor and creating a threatening atmosphere, she made sure security stopped her friends from approaching or comforting her. She also confiscated the phone of another protester who was filming and threw it on the pavement. An additional filming bystander was arrested.
Heather Carnegie of GABA is guilty of assaulting protesters and destruction of property; there is photographic evidence of her pushing a protester off the road, and much of the first-hand evidence filmed on a protester’s phone is irretrievable due to the device being thrown across the road by Carnegie. Carnegie is visible at the beginning of this footage throwing the phone. She is occasionally audible in the footage yelling “no, shame on you” back at protesters yelling “shame” at police and security.