Adommys Ensure Tommy Joe Ratliff Fired As Guitarist For Adam Lambert.

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THIS IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE END. THE ADOMMYS WILL CROSS ANOTHER LINE AND TOMMY JOE WILL BE DUMPED BECAUSE INSANE, FANTASY LIVING FANS WILL ENSURE HE CANNOT CONTINUE WORKING WITH ADAM. IT SHALL TOTALLY BE THERE FAULT, BUT SAULI WILL GET THE BLAME. THE HATRED TOWARDS HIM IS JUST FUCKED. AND WRONG. IT IS OBVIOUS HOW HAPPY THE TWO OF THEM ARE, AND FOR PEOPLE FOR ATTACK HIM BECAUSE OF A PIECE OF STAGE BUSINESS IS SAD AND LIVING IN A FANTASY WORLD. THIS WAS A MANIFESTO I POSTED LAST YEAR FROM AN ADOMMY. SAD MAD THINKING. AND ALL THIS HATE AND MADNESS WILL ENSURE IT ENDS IN TEARS. FOR TOMMY JOE. WHO MAYBE A FRIEND BUT WHEN FRIENDS ISSUES START MESSING WITH YOUR BOYFRIENDS, WELL, SOMETHING HAS GOT TO GIVE. I ADORED ALL SAULIS RESPONSES ON HIS BLOG TO THE HATER MAD PEOPLE. I THINK IT IS COOL HE IS NOT CENSORING THEM, AND THE MADNESS IS BEING SEEN. I HAVE ALWAYS THOUGH TOMMY JOE NEEDS TO FIGHT THE CRAYS MORE, AND STILL DO. HE NEEDS TO TELL THEM TO FUCK OFF AND FUCK UP. NOW! STRONGLY! OR HE SHALL BE DOWN THE ROAD. AND AS I AM HERE FOR THE ADAM RIDE, I WOULD JUST SAY ‘BYE, BYE TOMMY’. HERE ARE SAULIS REACTIONS AND REASONS FOR KEEPING THE CRAY SHIT UP ON HIS BLOG……

I remember when a year ago I flew for the first time to Los Angeles to celebrate your 29th birthday. Today you are turning 30, and I’m still here! Many more years to come.

xoxo

/S

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Here are translations of the comments to which Sauli replied on his Official Blog on Jan 29th, 2012. NOTE: in some comments there are references to specific (hate) comments on the site. We are not bringing the hate posts here – you can go to the blog and read them from there (they are all in English).

Mod! Why haven’t you removed those mean and nasty comments? It just puts Sauli and all the others on low spirits and the good atmosphere suffers. Remove them, please. Moderation is there for elimination after all. Tuuli
***Hi Tuuli! Thank you for your support! Those messages haven’t been published accidentally. Let’s show them that it’s not worth trying, we are keeping the good mood going on anyway. So don’t let those false and stupid things get you down. Let’s just leave them aside! xoxo /S

FYI mod – there is again at least one so called hate mail. That long post by Kayl is pretty stunning and sad to read. Maybe it should be removed. Seems that even Aliisa was criticizing (apparently google-Finnish) Sauli about him having this kind of post in his blog rather than tweeting it. Anitta
***Hi! Thank you for the worry and support. We know, but I just don’t care about the false and stupid hate mails. There are always those who have stupid ideas about me. Everyone doesn’t have to like. [in English =] My life, my way. xoxo /S

[In English] anything negative should not be here (moderators do your job) this is a place for LOVE . Sauli you know we love you and love wins…..people will always be jealous, you are strong, i adore you. Joanna
***[In English] Hei Joanna! My moderators are doing their job. We (me or moderators) just don’t care about stupid hate mail. I know what the real deal is and thanks to you for seeing it too! xoxo /S

 

Hello Sauli! It’s a pity that you have to read posts by all kinds of grudge bearing people in your own blog. Remember, it’s just wicked slander by the jealous people. It’s wonderful that you still let us write comments here, I hope it stays that way. Have a nice day***Hi Ninja! It doesn’t even bother me and I think you can see it . I do remember, and thanks for reminding me! The possibility to write comments is staying! Good night to you! xoxo /S

Hey comment moderator, could you remove the comment by Kayl? It’s a totally inappropriate message from a sick person. Womp
***Hi Womp! That comment is out there specifically from my request. It’s an inappropriate and false one but now we are gonna show together that we don’t care, right?!? Yay!! xoxo /S

There are still these more or less or totally disturbed Adommy, Kradam etc. fans (like Kayl). They don’t have anymore any public fan board where they could continue spreading their sick hatred. I hope that the moderators of this page would take care of them so that they wouldn’t be able to come here and ruin this happy and benign atmosphere. Lilli
***Hi Lilli! For example thanks to people like you, the hatred is not spreading around here and now they are seeing it! We are gonna keep the atmosphere here happy despite of them! Thank you! Yay!! xoxo /S

To the mod (allowed for publication): I wish that clear hate posts would’t be let out to the comments. They are based on pure lies and mean harmful hatred towards Sauli. They are also causing extremely sad mood for all the others, among the readers there are also lots of young people, who have difficulties in handling that kind of texts. In other words, it’s not worth trying to be equal here – remove the hate comments! And then to Sauli***Hi Miia Vaan! Usually we don’t let those here and there aren’t that much of them. Now we decided to include them just to show that [in English] “whatever you’re trying to achieve it’s not working”. So let’s show them! Let’s keep this page happy and let’s leave those untruthful stupidities aside! Hah! xoxo /S

Greetings Sauli I had to write because that one comment made me feel so bad… don’t you cuties care about those cynics, there’s emptiness living inside them… they want to destroy everything beautiful in the world because they themselves are feeling sooooo bad… All the love to you, you are radiating it all around… marja-liisa
***Hi marja-liisa! Exactly! Let’s not care about them! Let’s hope that someday they too have happiness and love shining on to them! xoxo /S

***Hi Mii! Yay!! xoxo /S

Oh no! It’s a pity you have to listen to that kind of stuff in your own blog! Don’t let those hate comments get you down! We do love you!***Hi @dammila! I sure won’t. Thank you! xoxo /S

[in English] Dear Sauli! Try to ignore haters who aren’t able to embrace happiness and love. This people don’t have anything in their pathetic lives to be happy about! It’s really great to see you 2 so happy and being comfortqable with sharing that love! xoxo Babs
***[in English]Hei Babs! I am ignoring and that’s why those comments are published to show my ignorance. You ignore them too! I know what the real deal is and that is enough! Thank you for seeing the truth too and for your support. Yay!! xoxo /S

Hi! In general, there is lot more positivity than negativity in the blog comments, as there should be. And if we have a couple of lemons here whining every once in a while, so what? It mostly makes me laugh when between the ♥♥♥-posts there are a couple of stranded poor things. Sauli has a good attitude towards this. Lemons are a bit embarrassing yeah, but we others – let’s just continue on the positive and matter-of-fact lines. ♥LÖÖÖÖÖÖV!♥ ♥JM♥
***Hi

Way to go, Sauli, keep the flag up high and don’t pay any attention to the inappropriate comments. Unfortunately there are people in this world whose realities are not quite in place, but they’re not worth noticing. Have a nice weekend and birthday greetings to your siippa! Miachihu
***Hi! Miachihu! Exactly! Let’s let them just be and let’s not care about them. We’ll keep our innermost being in good mood and full of love! Yay!! xoxo /S P.S. Thank you for the translations!!

Yay! You have exactly the right attitude towards this! If somebody wants to write stupid comments and make themselves look like fool in public, let them go ahead. That’s all the power those people need. In from one ear and out from the other. And a nice post, tells about your life just like your other posts. Catti
***Hi Catti! yay!! And now good mood and good night to everyone!! xoxo /S

UPDATE – OH, AND ADOMMYS, IF YOU COME ON MY SITE TO ABUSE ME OR PEOPLE WHO AGREE WITH ME, YOUR COMMENTS WILL BE TAKEN DOWN, UNLESS YOU ARE COMING ON TO SAY YOU HAVE REALIZED YOU WERE BEING A FUCKING IMMATURE WANK STICK BUT HAVE NOW GROWN UP.

40 Responses to Adommys Ensure Tommy Joe Ratliff Fired As Guitarist For Adam Lambert.

  • I think the negitive people should just screw off adam is happy so let it go Tommy is not gay and Sauli is and they love each other I think there cute together Tommy and Adam but Sauli and Adam are in Love so haters please shut up! love and support for Sauli and Adam 

  • Libradoodle says:

    Wowzer Steve, as they say, “There’s nothing quite as strange as folks.”  So true!

  • Diana says:

    You guys all know that Adam would never fire Tommy because of Sauli… I mean, look at the band… After the Glam Nation Tour Adam created a whole new band..everyone had to go…. Everyone but not Tommy. He was the only one who stayed. And I don’t think that will change. And guys…. Sauli is fine with Tommy. They understand very well. Like friends! Tommy isn’t a danger for Sauli! So, if Sauli can accept Tommy you should do it ,too!

  • KathieMaria93 says:

    honestly, I’m an Adommy fan too (purely the stage chem) but I’m an Adam fan and a Tommy Joe fan first, and if “fans” force Tommy out of a band were he enjoys working with his friends then shit will go down. there”s a point were you draw the line. I don’t think anyone has the right to give Sauli hate either, the poor guy is innocent in all of this, I’m pretty sure that he’d never come between Adam and Tommy’s friendship unless someone plants the doubt in

    • Steve Gray says:

      what do you mean shit will go down?’. adam can choose to play with whoevber he fucking likes! tj is an employee. shit will go down….ha wake up ya fucking living in fantasy land, he is paid to play, nothing more. 

  • Pauline says:

    I took my time and read through all the comments. I respect everyone’s views-I agree with some-but question others. With All Due Respect-This is my point of view! First off, I adore Adam-to me he is the BEST vocalist out there and I feel he will be iconic like MJ and Elvis-he has all the qualities to be that and more. I respect his relationship with Sauli, and I admire his brother-friendship with TJ. Remember Adam and TJ were inseparable for up to Adams 29th birthday! They were seen, photographed, and blogged about. They shared costuming on Halloween-and vacation together. They truly are best friends.
     Adam and TJ have addressed the Adommy issue. For those saying TJ, is not doing enough-well he had fans post a pic of himself kissing Liz. Did anyone ever think that Adam and TJ have personally discussed this many times, and maybe Adam told him to just let it be! The point is NO ONE REALLY KNOWS so why are we arguing about it and pointing the blame to only TJ!  For those saying that TJ DM them & he was flirting? I respect your post-and for privacy reasons understand why you would not share that post.  TJ DM me and he was not flirting at all-he was very sweet and thanked me for a suggestion I had re: something musical. I don’t send him gifts or money or but I do think he is Adam’s biggest cheerleader who I see everyday retweets everything related to Adam’s  posts on Twitter within a short time of Adam tweeting it-these are 99% related to his performances/his career/his interviews/etc. I have to say with Sauli being Adams boyfriend, I expected a little more from him in that department. I would love to see Sauli tweet Adams upcoming CD and other things. If that was me, I would be doing it-unless Adam asked him not too-who knows. But for those so quick to want to fire TJ-for what did he do SO bad to you? He’s not our friend-both Adam and TJ have said they are close like brothers-that they can talk about anything and share anything and never judge one another. That is a trusting relationship. We should all be SO fortunate to have a TRUE FRIEND like that in our lives! I can guarantee you when TJ tweeted on his birthday “THANK YOU” in BIG drawn out letters-Adam probably had asked him to be lead guitarist! And please don’t jump on me for saying that-like I said before. Maybe there is a GOOD reason TJ is not continuing to say something-both Adam and he may have good reason!

    I also don’t think TJ is using Adam-how many times does TJ graciously say how lucky he is-how Adam has changed his life.  TJ has consistently posted his gratitude and thanks to Adam online and in interviews. I read all his tweets, seen his inteviews and read both Tumbler accounts-he reveals alot if you read what he is saying to you. There is adoration there-face it-that is the truth. It was different with Monte. Monte was the one who Adam looked up too-who had connections-he felt important as a leader to Adam. When Adam’s rise to fame had taken off so fast-it was Adam who was exposed to amazing writers and A-line producers who wanted to work with him so much. Monte no longer became the one Adam really needed. Also Adam and TJ hung out more like friends-Monte and Adam were friends but it was TJ at Adams side all the time til Adam started dating Sauli. 

    The sad part is that not that long ago-the Adam fandom was full of love. We all flocked to Youtube to first watch FEVER-to see what Adam/TJ interaction there was and than to the INTROs again to see the same thing. Im guilty of it too! However, I believe Adam is in a relationship with Sauli-Ive read Adommy fanfics and to me-that is all they are-good written fantasy. I don’t translate those stories to real life.  I have attended many of Adams concerts, etc. and although I realize that the Adam/TJ craze has gone too far, the one thing that people forget is-Adam is the one who started this Adommy fantasy! I understand why he did it, but right from the beginning, both He and TJ were French kissing each other equally. And there was a change during the tour-I have seen almost every video of every song in every country. It was evident to me and to alot of people I know -people who also believe that Adam is with Sauli.  But there WAS a change! The kisses got longer-were more passionate especially when they went overseas. There were making out sessions in almost every country outside of the US that looked pretty real to me. I understand the stage gay and all but TJ is not an actor. The guy wears his emotions on his sleeve. Also with the GlamNation tour, being Adams first tour and TJ first professional job,  Adam and the rest of the band were concentrating on putting on a great concert & I really don’t think that Adam or TJ really did not expect their every move being zoomed in and slowed down, on every song in every country, so that every detail of their actions is on display for the world to see and analyze.  How many views did that one video have-like over 100,000 that had the most sexy and passionate kisses/sexy stage moves in it? Yes, that video-people were drooling over the sex-read the posts. This is way before Sauli came. I have seen a ton of videos-I have seen true affection. There are alot of things you can’t fake with eyes and body language. They are musicians, not robots. I have alot of friends who believe they had a tour romance and we all believe and know Adam is dating and loves Sauli. But early on in 2010-Adam was overseas with his bandmates. He talked about dating  someone who was intelligent, very creative-he said he looks like a Xmas Elf. Busted-we all know he was talking about Tommy. There are ONLY 2 people who know what went down before and on Tour-and they are noone else BUT Adam and Tommy! And we will NEVER know the real truth. Straight or not-they both are flirts with each other without even trying. Ive never seen such normal chemistry in my life. I just think alot of this has caused rational and irrational confusion!

    There is a video after the Toyko 2 show where Adam is singing Music Again-he is playing with TJ’s head back and forth singing ”Put your little tongue in mine-look into my eyes baby eyes” and than Adam walks to center stage turns and faces TJ and clearly says “I Love You Tommy” and from those attending the concert-reported back TJ mouthed the same thing back when he was standing there for about 15 seconds. Right after that-Adam goes off dancing to the side and sings “we finally made it work”! Listen-you will hear it. I think alot of people were confused because in interviews right before a show like that-Adam would say TJ and him were just best friends. But than he turns around and says things like that in Japan, and again on TJ birthday show where he made out with him 3 times. And this is not just a peck of a kiss-we are talking full on making out-French kissing-both of them together. You can see a progression definitely overseas which also seemed to occur after Japan. TJ has said he’s bicurious-hell there is a pic of him floating out there with his arm around Adam and Adams arm around him when they were practicing. It was a pic Im sure everyone has seen-the full picture-shows you they were dressed down. They were not in concert. I have seen fan videos where ninjas were hiding behind bushes who caught a glimpse of Adam pecking TJ and TJ touching Adams bare skin at his waist level. They dont know these pics are even been taken. So, I do understand why there are Adommy believers out there-I don’t like the hate towards Sauli, but there is proof out there that does validate some of their points. And Im not on their side or anyones side-I m just stating facts I have seen documented. I think alot of people don’t understand why Sauli is not really working up til his recent modeling job this month. I did read Sauli back in Big Brother Days wants to be a stylist-so I hope he finds himself a career he loves too. He’s younger than Adam, and being in Finland, he obviously did not have the opportunities like he does in LA. But again, playing Devils advocate, there are alot of fans-not just Adommy fans-even just Adam fans who feel Sauli is living free off of Adams hard work.  Why? Because Adam said in interviews that he wants a partner who is creative, has a career of their own they are passionate about, and who is intelligent. Sauli is a very sunny personality-and aside from his blogs and his small Tukta job, I do want to see him blossom on his own-independent of Adam. I believe he will in time I will also respect him more for that too, and I believe that he will do it! I also think he takes care of “home” and that is something Adam has longed for too. To come home to a emotionally stable relationship-he says he now has that.

    So I think there is just alot of confusion that has fueled peoples fantasties. People say ” Adam is honest and he tells the truth”-I do believe it too, but Adam has made mistakes. He’s not perfect-he’s close but Adam himself has purposely said things-even when first seen with Sauli-that just gave people different impression and for those who believed in Adommy more magic to work with. I clearly remember Adam and Sauli’s pic being taken places, & Adam tweets, that people are over analzying his private life-that the person he is photographed with-is not what people think. He said he wants his private life private. Well, Adam and Sauli’s life is not that private. Private to me means you don’t see that person photographed every day for months on end with their partner. It does not even happen to the most famous people! Maybe its a PR move for Adam to stay in front of the camera with his new PR managment-I GET that too. We all know how PR works. But in all honesty, I never even thought I would see the hundred of pics floating around of Adam and Sauli when Adam tweeted several times-his private life is private and people don’t know his private life. I am just putting this out there not to support people who are fantasizing but because these are the types of things that have been taken to heart. To me there is confusion and contradiction to what Adam has said/tweeted and than he does the opposite. Im just playing Devils advocate! Adam always said he would “lie to protect someone he loves” That can be taken in different context again. Maybe Adam said those statements to keep Sauli initially out of the paps faces-so he had time to allow his relationship to grow more serious before having the papazzari ruin it!

    And the haters are on both sides. I have been a Glambert from Day 1-I have seen and heard it all too. But those who hate the Adommy fans are also constantly reading their feeds and they are just as guilty as posting hate too. This is not just one-sided. I blocked people on Twitter who were starting to criticize me cause I liked and posted about Tommy. Its America-I have a right to my opinion. There are too many people on Twitter playing fandom police. If everyone just stepped backed a bit-both sides-maybe it would stop some of the hating. But one side is fueling the other-that is the truth. I have read many posts of [peeps I don’t even follow on both sides”-just to get a glimpse of their views.

    Well I could say alot more, but I won’t. I love Adam. I adore TJ. I believe Sauli is good for Adam-Adam is very happy. I believe TJ is good for Adam-he’s his confident and best friend. Adam is not going to fire TJ. And in reality-there have been fan wars back to Elvis days, and it will continue on in the future. You can’t threaten people to change their minds. People have the right to believe what they want. I do agree that sending hate to Adam, TJ, Sauli, his band, and others is wrong-on both sides. I am still a fan-cause in the end I am here for Adam. I respect his choices, and he’s human, he will make mistakes! But everyone needs to starting accepting the fact that Adam also values and loves his band-his NEW band! And for those who keep underrating TJ talent-why don’t you give the guy a breathing chance? If you read what he writes and his tumbler now-he’s very open and honest. He found Ashely who Adam fell in love with right away. I think TJ has alot of talent-Ive seen videos of him playing pretty amazing. He tells you he’s not a shredder like Monte-its not his style. He has a different style-that does not mean he’s a lousy guitar player-he is different. Adam stated that Tommy respects his musical vision, maybe we should ALL take a moment to RESPECT that-not all this crap of fire Tommy. But I dated a musician for a long time who was self taught and who played by ear-and he was incredible-he graduated from Julliard. TJ is self taught on guitar since age 12. I play piano by note-I would KILL to play by ear. This is a different album-a different vibe-and from what I have seen on the overseas video-TJ sounds just fine. To you he may be replaceable-yes there are extremely talented guitar players-like Monte-where did that end up? Adam believes in giving people a chance like he had been given and is grateful for everyday. So I hope those who doubt TJ-can at least give him that! Thank you for allowing me to express my opinon.

    • Scarlet says:

      I’ll tell you one thing: there is “opinion” and there is “obsession”. The problem is that some Adommy fans see no difference between the two. IMHO this can be potentially dangerous for Adam or for Sauli or even for TJ.

      • Pauline says:

        Yes, Scarlet, you are right. I would hope people don’t cross that line. Don’t know where everyone lives in relation to LA,but I hope its just on Twitter/social networks. So far to date, Adam has said he has never been really stalked-maybe by the protestors of that Church from Idol days and that same church on the tour-which I feel is even more threatening to him. I was worried sick he played in Malaysia- a country who kills gays. Glad he was outta there, but he won them over. This is the first time I have ever written something on this subject. I am just so sick of the negativity mostly on Twitter from BOTH sides. Im on there for other reasons, not just Adam, and its a great tool when things are ok. But wham, I never really thought I would see the day a whole fandom is at war. It just is truly sad to me. And I have been fans of tons of musicians-been to hundreds of concerts-now Im dating myself-lol. This is the first time Ive seem hatred of this magnitude. All because of the love of kissing ;)

    • wandinka says:

      Wow this is very long and it really makes sense, so many new info to me, I didnt follow the adommy thing so much and in summer 2010 I just discovered Adam :) …any chance where to find those pic/videos? I really wanna see, I found that Tokyo :)

      • Pauline says:

        Sorry to not get back to you right away-I have a serious illness and had been in the hospital. Anyway, the video REDBESSREAD gave you is the one most people see but the CORRECT video which explains what I have posted about is here:  http://youtu.be/BR7QPCbAie8    I think to me the BIGGEST irony is Adam was in an interview that AM talking about TJ and him are just great friends, and than something like this happens. AT .10 Adam starts walking toward Tommy singing  these lines from Music Again-  “Im so sick of Living for other people, it took meeting you to realize, I dont wanna lose ya, I wanna keep ya, PUT YOUR LITTLE TONGUE IN MINE AND LOOK INTO MY EYES BABY EYES” and than he does the head jerk to TJ. Adam cracks up and than you see him turn around and say “I love you Tommy” and TJ stopped dead in front facing Adam. There are testimonies from fans who wrote under that video that TJ mouths back “I love U2″.  That is the 2nd time I have seen TJ mouth “Love you” to Adam on stage. The first time was in the beginning of the tour where TJ comes from behind Adam and grabs his arm, his hair is in his face, but you can see what he’s saying and than a huge smile comes on Adams face.  But , back to the VIDEO- The part to me that is the most telling is this and it confused me to why Adam would even say it considering what he just said in his interview. If he wanted people to forget about Adommy than he should have never said this as he danced off to the right – Its ADAM who Says :WE FINALLY MADE IT WORK”  Go listen-turn up your speakers- its clear as day and there are alot of people on that page who heard the same thing.  So, it is things like this that confuse people. Again, I know Adam is dating Sauli-they are happy. I support that. But just these recent tour promos with Adam and TJ truly do show their connection-even if only friendship-sorry but they are still flirting. Take a look closely at some of the videos and the one from yesterday in soundcheck where TJ is kidding around and ready to sit on Adams lap. There are many times Adam gives him that glance. Sometimes to me they are speaking in their own secret language- now IM NOT SAYING a secret relationship- a secret language. That is 2 different things, but its there and its so obvious. People need to again stop blaming TJ basically saying that he will get fired. The last I looked-Adam and he say they are brothers/best best friends. I think you need to at least respect Adams love and adoration for TJ and vice versa which is separate from their love relationships with other people.

      • Pauline says:

        Sorry to not get back to you right away-I have a serious illness and had been in the hospital. Anyway, the video REDBESSREAD gave you is the one most people see but the CORRECT video which explains what I have posted about is here: http://youtu.be/BR7QPCbAie8 I think to me the BIGGEST irony is Adam was in an interview that AM talking about TJ and him are just great friends, and than something like this happens. AT .10 Adam starts walking toward Tommy singing these lines from Music Again- “Im so sick of Living for other people, it took meeting you to realize, I dont wanna lose ya, I wanna keep ya, PUT YOUR LITTLE TONGUE IN MINE AND LOOK INTO MY EYES BABY EYES” and than he does the head jerk to TJ. Adam cracks up and than you see him turn around and say “I love you Tommy” and TJ stopped dead in front facing Adam. There are testimonies from fans who wrote under that video that TJ mouths back “I love U2″. That is the 2nd time I have seen TJ mouth “Love you” to Adam on stage. The first time was in the beginning of the tour where TJ comes from behind Adam and grabs his arm, his hair is in his face, but you can see what he’s saying and than a huge smile comes on Adams face. But , back to the VIDEO- The part to me that is the most telling is this and it confused me to why Adam would even say it considering what he just said in his interview. If he wanted people to forget about Adommy than he should have never said this as he danced off to the right – Its ADAM who Says :WE FINALLY MADE IT WORK” Go listen-turn up your speakers- its clear as day and there are alot of people on that page who heard the same thing. So, it is things like this that confuse people. Again, I know Adam is dating Sauli-they are happy. I support that. But just these recent tour promos with Adam and TJ truly do show their connection-even if only friendship-sorry but they are still flirting. Take a look closely at some of the videos and the one from yesterday in soundcheck where TJ is kidding around and ready to sit on Adams lap. There are many times Adam gives him that glance. Sometimes to me they are speaking in their own secret language- now IM NOT SAYING a secret relationship- a secret language. That is 2 different things, but its there and its so obvious. People need to again stop blaming TJ basically saying that he will get fired. The last I looked-Adam and he say they are brothers/best best friends. I think you need to at least respect Adams love and adoration for TJ and vice versa which is separate from their love relationships with other people.

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        • Pauline says:

          So sorry for the double post-it said my first one did not go through. It was NOT spam. I don’t know how to remove the one. Thank you1
          Pauline

          • wandinka says:

            Hi, oh thx, sorry to hear you are not feeling good, hope you will recover soon! I heard that and saw…well I understand what you mean…I also think its their business what is between them. I actually rly care only about Adam and his music and gonna support him and his music, no ppl around him, I already did and I pitty that now (Monte) so from now on only Adam – only him and his music no other ppl. I totally see your point but there always be ppl who will “see and believe” things I guess its in many fandoms. My oppinion now: They may had affair and I’m sure if it was real love they will went public, why to hide it, both are grown men. It may was that they were together so long on the road, its not surprise that they may get intimate, there is affection between them what everyone can see. What if they decided its only temporary “no strings attached”. Then Adam met Sauli and he found what he was really looking for. Now let me say this, Tommy has very different personality in contrast to Adam. Sometimes it may be good when different personalities are together, sometimes it doesnt work. And for relationship is not needed only affection you must get along on more things/levels. And this is what imo many ppl ignore, they dont fit together! Adam and Sauli are very similar thats it. ufff I hope its understanable cause Im not english and its difficult for me to express what I want ;)

          • RedBessRead says:

            Hope you are feeling better, being in hospital is never fun :(

            It’s a different video, but I think the same performance?  I still see nothing more than two friends having fun.  There is a great freedom to express your sexuality in a fun way if you know you are not aligned in your orientation.  Eg – straight females and gay men, lesbians and gay men, etc, etc.  I’ve certainly had that with friends, a bit of fun and flirtation and mutual ego-boosting.  It doesn’t have relation to real, romantic love but a very deep and comfortable friendship.  I think that’s what Adam and Tommy have and if so that’s cool for them.  (Yes lines can get blurred and gay men sometimes sleep with women, straight men sometimes sleep with men, lesbians sometimes get crushes on straight girls.  Anything’s possible.  But if Adam and Tommy started feeling real lust for each other and that became evident on stage it still doesn’t mean that we can conclude they slept together, had a romantic relationship or, as the most deluded people believe, are still in a romantic relationship together)

            The big issue is not people who enjoy seeing their friendship or flirting, I don’t think anyone really has a problem with that do they?  It’s those that hate Sauli and think that Tommy and Adam are in a secret relationship that are the problem.
            Maybe Tommy fans need to start distancing themselves from people like LaurieLovesAdam, AdommyShipper etc? 

        • hypatia127 says:

          Pauline – Why do you feel the need to analyze Adam’s every move and expression to try to determine what is really going on in his personal life ?  Why is that any of your business or the business of any fan ? Why do you feel the need to write long comments explaining your every thought about Adam’s romantic and sexual life and who he is involved with and why you think so ? Do you really feel the rest of us need to know all these details of your thoughts?  Why ?  Adam’s relationships with TJ and with Sauli are HIS business and his only and he owes his fans NO explanations.  Stop for a moment and imagine that someone you don’t know is writing publically about YOUR personal and sexual life – how would YOU feel ? I think this kind of obsessive intrusiveness into Adam’s personal life is wrong and inappropriate and if Adam comes to feel that the only way to STOP it is to fire TJ from the Band, then you can’t blame that on other fans pressuring him to fire TJ. He will make his own decision but you should consider whether your actions and comments might be stacking the deck in favor of him firing TJ. 
          Another small point: you say every fan went first to the Fever videos to see the Adommy action on stage – that is not true. I, for one, have NEVER done that, and I’ll bet there are others like me who were more interested in the music and dancing and in watching ADAM.  It’s not all about Adommy for all of us.  Only for those of you who, for some reason I don’t really understand, are obsessed with it and can’t let go of it.  Why does  it matter to you what Adam and Tommy mouthed to each other on stage in Tokyo ? Why do you care ?  I don’t and I have no interest in going back to the video to check it out as you suggest.  Why not find something on your own life or the lives of your family and friends to concern yourself with instead of spending so much energy trying to ninja your way into the lives of Adam, Tommy, and Sauli.  I think Adam will come to the point where he wants to make it stop and get some of his privacy back and also to protect the people he loves.

    • RedBessRead says:

      This is the “I love you Tommy” video.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg2SJiCfmNY   I don’t see anything in it to get excited about.

      • Pauline says:

        Dear REDBESSREAD- I wrote above to Wandinka- I REPOSTED the CORRECT YT VIDEO which explains my point of view. You can kindly read my submission of what I interpret that to mean. Thanks. Have a good day.
        Pauline

  • Millie says:

    I have to say that I am disgusted with Tommy for not being more assertive with these lunatics. And not only does he not make it clear, he accepts gifts and interacts with them, which only fuels their fantasies. Their fantasies which lead them to post not only hateful diatribes against Adam’s real boyfriend, but also threats of deportation and physical violence.

    The truth is that Tommy is not so wonderful a guitarist that he cannot be replaced. Moreover, he’s stated that he is friends with Sauli as well as Adam, so he not only has economic incentive, but he should WANT to do the right thing and do his fair share of putting out the idiotic Adommy fires.

  • Kris says:

    Oh, but if adommy goes away however will the fanfic writers survive? They would be devastated, they are the reason these tinhatters exist! What makes me laugh, is they call themselves fans, yes, Adam’s success lies soley on their writings! lol

  • Nonny says:

    Ditto @RedBessHead I left Adam’s fandom because of Tommy’s fans, had enough! The Adam I know and love is such a real, beautiful, inspiring person! But they took that image away from the public, in theri effort to make Tommy a star! When Tommy DMd me flirting with me I had the final straw, because then I knew he knew all about what the adommy cray were doing but didn’t care, he only cared about his gifts, his fame, at the expense of Adam!
    Anyone who doesn’t think he is using Adam the same way Monte and so many do is kidding themselves!
    Keep those gifts coming to Tommy, Adam fans, he’s loving them!

    I will always enjoy the amazing talent of Adam, hope his fans don’t destroy his chance to shine, he really is phenominal!    

  • RedBessRead says:

    Must also add – what do the Adommy believers think their belief means and what the repurcussions would be? 
     It would mean Adam is totally exploiting, abusing and neglecting his “real” boyfriend; it would mean Adam is lying to most of the world, showing disrespect to his relationship with fans; it would be evidence he agrees with a closeted lifestyle for gay relationships; Adam would lose credibility (especially while he’s promoting his album as part of him being very open and transparent and talking about his relationship with Sauli in interviews); family and friends would feel betrayed, or if they were “in on it” they are all willing to lie elaborately and would also lose credibility; most of his fanbase would become disillusioned and feel betrayed; he would lose credibility as a rolemodel and spokesperson for LGBT awareness; the media would have a field-day; other celebrities like Ellen either in on it and part of the conspiracy or would also feel lied to; and so on.

    I wonder if part of the reason they cling to the belief is it means they are part of a special, select group who are priveleged to secret knowledge and their faith as true fans will be rewarded when the day comes that Adommy is revealed to the world?  Yes, very cult-like!

    • SL says:

      Agree with the cult like thing. You analysis makes it quite clear and that is the other reason why this should be dragged to the light. There are some (elderly) people who manipulate others, especially the younger ones, to ensure their own position and to support their fantasies amd delusions. I´m surprised how little people seem to seek information outside of their own twitter feed. If they hear a rumour, they rely on their own feed and answers they get there. That makes them very vulnerable to manipulation.

  • RedBessRead says:

    Thanks for this Steve – shame it is still needed.  I totally agree that Tommy needs to toughen up and send a stronger message to them.  All he would need to do is make a statement, block half a dozen of them and it would send a very strong message.

    There are two in particular that I find very worrying and it is not hard at all to imagine them crossing over into real life stalker or threatening behaviour.  If I was involved in security management I wouldn’t be allowing them anywhere near Adam, the band or Sauli.  For that reason maybe blocking some of them could be a risky move. 

    There has been some really disgusting stuff displayed lately.  One of the worst was LaurieLovesAdam saying that Sauli’s OOFTA tattoo should be removed with a rusty grater (on her Tumblr).  Just utterly horrid.

    They are all living in a fantasy.  I don’t blame some of the younger fans as I think some aren’t even fully cognitively aware of fundamental things like that Adam, Tommy and Sauli actually real people, not just fantasy symbols.  I think some of the older ladies have real pathological delusion – a variation on erotomania and persecutory delusions.  Erotomania is usually when the delusional person believes a celebrity is in love with them, but the Adommy believers see Adam as the target of Tommy’s secret love instead of themselves.  The delusion is typified by distorted interpretation and created meaning attached to glances, body language, messages through media, etc.  Patients will often send letters and gifts and see any denial of the delusional love as part of a strategy to keep the forbidden love hidden.  Defense of delusion is normally based on a standard set of beliefs/statements and we see that (people who disagree are “haters”, “sheep”, “stupid”, “uneducated”, “not as perceptive”, “just hate Tommy” and so on).  Treatment of delusion is very difficult and medication has limited effect.  Psychotherapists also find that challenging delusions head on is not constructive and can even force patients to retreat and become more entrenched in their false beliefs.  Normally psychotherapists will focus on practical issues in the patients life, addressing problematic behaviour in the hope that when they are more balanced in their life the underlying issues that drive the delusion will lessen and they will more easily release the compulsive behaviour.

    The gist of that is, someone with pathological delusion is not going to change their mind very easily.  I think no matter what Tommy or anyone does there are going to be a few people who are simply too unwell to hear the truth.  What can be done though is to send a clear message to the younger, impressionable fans who are drawn into the delusions.  Someone wrote on Sauli’s blog that there is cult-like behaviour and I agree with that.  Frequently younger Tommy fans are told they are hated by people who are fans of Adam and Sauli and it simply is not true. Often there will be strong reactions to any Adommy fan even slightly considering that Sauli and Adam’s relationship might be real or even a mention of Sauli and they will be reprimanded and quickly brought back into line with the group norms.

    I actually could care less what anyone believes as I think thought and belief should be totally free.  What I have a problem with is the bullying of the younger fans, and the horrible messages that are sent directly to Adam, Sauli, Tommy, Liz or fans.  It is invariably done anonymously so that they can maintain their image of a moral highground.

    I truly feel compassion towards the ladies I believe have psychopathology as they are not well and they have a form of illness that totally denies itself and is very insidious.  I think one of them also has an eating disorder (also notoriously difficult to treat) and to be honest I have thought it would be very easy to imagine her as an enabler on websites that promote anorexia and bulimia.

    I’m not a psychologist but I’ve studied psychology at undergrad and postgrad levels and I find it fascinating.  I have quite a few psychologist and neuroscientist friends too (I admit I’m a geek! lol).  Personally I find it very sad if someone is a fan of Adam and can’t be happy about the relationship that is bringing him so much joy and confidence and Sauli is so positive and likeable.  It will be interesting to see how the situation develops.  I predict Adam won’t be kissing Tommy on stage any more and if so I wonder how they will react.

    .

    • Lilly says:

      Excellent analysis. Thank you. I wonder how we could spread this one on the twitter? It might open many eyes. 
      (I myself don’t have a twitter account)  

    • hypatia127 says:

      I think Laurie is on her way out to LA for a visit.  I saw a tweet she sent today that said “to spy”. I couldn’t see the question it was in response to but we can all make a guess if we know anything about her.  I think she is desperate for confirmation of her beliefs and she will get it however she has to. Maybe it’s not a bad thing if she sees Sauli coming home with Adam late at night and not TJ.  However, Adam is away part of this week, of course. makes me nervous for Sauli’s safety, I must say. He goes out jogging every morning, I think, and Laurie is a devoted jogger.  They will meet.

  • Lilly says:

    The same crays who threaten Sauli and Liz send Tommy gifts and money. Tommy accepts the gifts and thanks for them. Is that respectable? 
    Tommy knows who those craziest crays are. He should at least block them. Why doesn’t he do that? Isn’t the answer quite obvious? 

  • Steve Gray says:

    oh if you use a fake email address your comment will be removed, and if you are a adommy angry at what i have written, lose the anger live in reality, and to those peeps saying adommys should be ignored, fuck that weak ass lameo shit. ignoring has not worked, i believe in dragging the crays into the sun and watch them squirm x’

  • SL says:

    And don´t you adommy cray crays see that this has nothing to do with Tommy but YOU, just YOU -  for the most part your delusional tweets and brilliant conspiracy theories of Sauli being just a PR stunt are the best entertainment I´ve personally seen for a long time.
    But everything has a limit. Hate mails are to be taken seriously (although Sauli now said he did not care). Adults should see the diffenrence between fact and fiction and know how to behave. If you enjoy writing and reading fan fics about Tommy and Adam that is fine, do that, but please, do not mix it with the reality. Normally five year olds start to see difference between those two.
    And next time you start to explain how people hate Tommy or are jealous — remember, they do not! there is absolutely no hate towards Tommy (why would there be?), there´s no jealousy, there´s no uncertainty about Adam´s and Sauli´s relationship – you have made this all up only to support your theories. Use your own brains and think a little, why would a grown man like Steve Gray write like this? Not everyone can be hired by Adam´s PR department.

  • anonny says:

    Thank you for this, Steve. I think it’s important that people really know how mean these crays are. I think it’s true that what is happening is that people hate Tommy because of the crays and I agree with you that Tommy needs to state in no uncertain terms that he won’t tolerate their hate for Sauli not to mention his girlfriend.  Sauli is awesome for publishing the hate, makes it clear just what is going on.  If they won’t stop, and they are delusional enough to not stop, then Tommy does need to go, sad but true. I’m here for Adam and the beautiful guy he loves.

  • January says:

    I have nothing against Tommy but I have a LOT against his delusional fans who bide their time by posting hate on Adam’s boyfriend’s blog. At the end of the day crazy Adommy fans, who means more? Adam’s guitar player in his backing band or the love of his life? It’s clear from everything that both Adam and Sauli have said that they’re both in this for the long haul and if the crazy Tommy fans can’t accept this maybe Adam SHOULD fire him so they can go stan him without being bothered by Adam’s REAL love life. Tommy is not irreplaceable people but Sauli is. Sorry bout it.

  • SL says:

    Hey wise man, I could not agree more! Bad for Tommy if this actually will happen in the future but good for everyone else.. I also think that Tommy should say something to actually stop this nonsense because he does interact with the fans – even with the cray ones. It would be different if Tommy had never been in twitter and knew nothing, but he does. To me it seems that some part of him enjoys the attention he gets through all this cray talk. Any publicity is better than no publicity at all..

  • Mel says:

    The original post that some Adommy whacko posted made me so sad that Sauli has to see bullshit like that, it was disturbingly delusional and downright mean. And I would bet money Adam has seen it too at this point, I wonder how he feels about the fact that Tommy’s fans are so awful to the guy he loves? But I’m glad Sauli instructed his mods to let it thru and let us know he is not letting crap like that get to him. He probably gets a shit ton of it every day, sadly.

    Here is what this nutjob commented on a post where Sauli wished his boyfriend Adam that he loves a Happy Birthday:

    “So fake. I hope you get what you want from using Adam and his famous name. I guess you are looking for your fame back in Finland because it’s obvious you’re not trying to make a name for yourself here in America. So it’s obvious to me and people I know that you’re simply using Adam to get famous back in Finland. Well I say I hope it works so Adam gets you out of his hair. You are NOT his love, this much is PLAIN TO SEE TO THOSE WHO ARE OBSERVANT. There are many people like me who are seeing through this fake facade. Why didn’t you go with Adam your one true love to Austria? It’s not like you have any real job or commitment back in LA. I would assume it’s visa issues. Whatever. I will be glad when Adam can finally dump you back in Finland where you belong. I have no real ill will to you, I just know this whole relationship is completely fake. And I am not the only one. Good luck to you.

    29.1.2012
    Kayl”

     
     

  • Brenda says:

    I agree, the thing is Tommy is not that talented that he isn’t replaceable, I strongly believe that he is still there because Adam is a good friend and puts others first before himself but don’t think he will put Tommy before his true love Sauil if it came down to that, he probably doesn’t see half the crap the adommy crays do and say behind his back or I think a change would have come already! Tommy needs to quit catering to the crays who give him fame and presents and man up to them, this bs is enough already!

  • Patti says:

    I have been thinking that the only way to stop the Sauli hate is to fire Tommy. Then the so-called Adam fans can go follow Tommy and leave Adam and Sauli alone. It must be SO hard on Adam to see all those tweets all day long. :-(

    • mm says:

      I think it will only anger them more. They will think that he had Adam fire Tommy. What needs to be done is Tommy has to step up to the plate and put his cray fans on notice. I think this is the only way this is going to end and it probably won’t end well. Some people are so thick headed that it won’t sink no matter what is said to them!!

  • wandinka says:

    Hi,
    those crays really are awfull and it gets on my nerves. But IMO Adam would never fire Tommy, I think they dont care that much about what crays say. They  give shit not only to Sauli but also to Liz I really dont get it geez! And that video is great I saw it I really wish that one day they all will see the truth, but Im worried their fucked up belief is hard to break *sigh*

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